May 29 2017
Here is a question I asked in the May 27, 2017 World Satsanga about soul retrieval and soul fragmentation. Since this concept is not well understood, I’d like to share Needler’s answer with all my readers in this post. What is meant by soul retrieval and soul fragmentation?
What is meant by Shamanic Soul retrieval, Soul fragmentation or Soul loss?
Background: Shamans believe that whenever we suffer an emotional or physical trauma, a part of our soul flees the body in order to survive the experience, and goes to “non-ordinary reality” where it waits until someone facilitates its return.
- The types of trauma that could cause “soul loss” include any kind of abuse (sexual, physical, or emotional), an accident, being in a war, or a victim of a terrorist act, acting against our morals, being in a natural disaster (a fire, hurricane, earthquake, tornado, etc.), surgery, addictions, divorce, or death of a loved one.
- Shamans say the soul part that left usually does not come back on its own. The soul might be lost, or stolen by another person, or doesn’t know the trauma has passed and it is safe to return. In psychology this is called disassociation (but they don’t talk about what disassociates and where that part goes).
- What is really going on in these situations in your view?
Guy Needler’s Comment:
Excerpt from Recording of the World Satsanga held on Saturday 27th May 2017 In Association with The Moore Show|Guy Steven Needler | The Dawn of a New Age of Science (Transcript: GN-Transcript-27-05-2017):
“In my understanding the soul is always connected to the human vehicle.
We don’t lose the soul. If the soul moves out of the vehicle and stays out of the vehicle, then the vehicle demises, full stop. There are instances, where yogis spend extended periods of time in astral traveling or transcendental meditation, as it’s popularly called now. But the connection to the body via the Hara line, or the silver cord, or whatever nomenclature you want to use remains. And so the soul or the aspect is connected continuously to the body.
And so there cannot be “soul fragmentation” as such or “soul loss.”
But in terms of soul fragmentation, the only thing I can think of that would classify as being a fragmented soul is when we have shards being created. So it’s not actually a fragmentation, but it’s a designed (by ourselves) function of individualizing a smaller part of our sentience, and assigning it to another form to experience a parallel condition — not parallel in terms of event space or a parallel universe or parallel experience — but additional experience to help with understanding of different things concurrently. So that’s what I would classify as being soul fragmentation.
But in terms of a part of a soul, or some part of the soul being disassociated from the human form as a result of any of these different experiences of trauma, I would say that’s not the case. I would say basically what happens at times is that the ego chooses not to experience that experience again. It classifies it as being traumatic and decides to forget it. And the only potential way for getting that back would be through some form of healing.
You may well call shamanic soul retrieval as a form of healing and/or some hypnosis technique.
So really it’s about disassociating the experience with the individual and locking away that memory. It’s still there, and it’s still recorded by the True Energetic Self, and it still can be accessed by us, if we decide to access it later. But in essence, it’s something that we don’t want to face or don’t want to cope with, and so we lock it away. And it’s more of a psychological function brought about by the ego than it is an actual function of some part of the soul being lost, and in some limbo state or in an alternative state of reality.
I think there’s been some confusion in a lot of this stuff. And I think that if there was a sort of a need to retrieve aspects of souls, it could be that there’s an individual who has entered into, for instance, transcendental meditation or astral traveling, and is needed back. And one of the ways of getting that person back is to have somebody else with the same skill go and retrieve that person — that could be called soul retrieval. And that happens quite a lot.
It used to happen quite a lot in India, where those people who spent dramatically long amounts of time in their astral traveling or transcendental meditations. And they were so happy in their sort of energetic environment, they didn’t want to come back into their physical environment. So we have the situation, where they were supposedly “lost” and therefore, they need to be retrieved at times, when it’s important. But that would be done by somebody who can do the same thing, the same function.
So I don’t think it’s properly understood. I think its understanding is a bit flaky to be honest, a bit misunderstood.
It’s simply a case of a memory not wanting to be re-lived from our perspective.
And the instance of soul fragmentation is to do with having a shard, or even a subincarnation. That’s another way of saying there’s soul fragmentation, but they aren’t due to trauma. They’re due to a planned action by our aspect.”
For more information, please see:
Guy Needler: Home – Guy Steven Needler | The Dawn of a New Age of Science (new website) & books: The History of God, Beyond the Source – Book 1, Beyond the Source – Book 2, Avoiding Karma, The Origin Speaks, 2015, The Anne Dialogues, 2016
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