Here is a question I asked in the July Satsanga with Guy Needler based on his first book, “The History of God.” He wrote that some “ascended masters” come from outside of our multiverse, but now we know a lot more about them. What are Source Entity level ascended masters?
What are Source Entity level Ascended Masters?
Here is some background information. In “The History of God,” Needler asked our Source (SE1/”God”) about the significance of the number twelve: “Why are there only twelve of you? Weren’t there twelve apostles and twelve ascended masters and even a council of twelve?”
SE1 said twelve is the number of Source Entities the Origin decided to split off from Itself (as its structural levels are all based on the number we call 12). Each Source Entity (“Elohim”) has a different route of evolution, but they also like to visit each other’s areas at times (see How To Think Of Evolution In a Holistic Way? – Big Picture Questions.com).
Question 1: Each ascended master was a Source Entity trying to learn outside of its own area of responsibility. What are the names of those 12 main ascended masters? Did they come here alone OR did some work together as a group?
- Previously, Needler had told me that the 12 main ascended masters are smaller aspects (souls) of True Energetic Selves (TES/Oversouls/Higher Selves).
- They were sent by other Source Entities just to experience being here and to help, because they are higher frequency, and they’re able to work in different ways.
- Only 144 maximum have been of that ilk ascended masters during the whole use of the Earth as an evolutionary medium.
Guy Needler’s comment:
“I actually don’t know the list of names to be honest, but we do call some people “ascended masters” like Jesus or the Buddha or Mohammed or St. Germain and a whole group of others as being ascended masters. What I’m picking up here is that these ascended masters are not specifically of the genre that humankind would consider to be ascended masters, they’re sort of above that.
The 144 is the True Energetic Self (TES), if there’s 12 of them, each of them can project up to 12 Aspects (souls) of themselves, so it’s 12 x 12 is 144.
But they are not always visible. Babaji, being one of them (I’m just being told) is an entity that is in the background a lot. It does things by influencing individuals, by working with individuals, by training individuals, and by directing individuals. And so there are lots of individuals out there, who are classified as ascended masters, but they’re above those names that we know in typical religion, but nevertheless are and have done lots of work in the background.
And some of those were those that we recognize, you know, the Jesuses, the Mohammeds, the Buddhas, etc. There’s been other ones well before their incarnations were present, and some of the incarnations weren’t specifically at the level of frequency or the gross physical frequency that we know of…
Those that are known have made a major influence in our local history that we’re aware of, whereas others aren’t angels by the way, as we know them. It’s not Gabriel or Uriel or all the rest of them, they are manifestations of maintenance entities or Curators, who have come to assist us, or even guides and helpers in those respects.”
Question 2: Did they have to evolve through the entire multiverse cycle from the physical universe to the top of the multiverse, like we do or not?
GSN: “Because they are in effect fully functional True Energetic Selves from a Source Entity, they would not have been associated with the evolutionary cycle as we are. So the answer is no, basically. They’re individualized — they are “tourists” for want of a better word, who offer help and assistance where required. Basically they come to experience and see and work on things and offer help, not to be part of the evolutionary system.
So they are basically guides on a larger scale. But they haven’t had to go through our evolutionary process, because they’re not part of it basically. They’re here to experience what’s going on in our particular multiversal environment and the lowest frequencies associated with it at times.
But also there’s other Source Entities, or True Energetic Selves that are experiencing similar things in Source Entity 2 and Source Entity 3 and Source Entity 4, etc. So it’s a similar sort of thing. So basically they’re outside of the evolutionary cycle.”
Question 3: Did you mean that Babaji is from another SE (not from SE1) but still working here behind the scenes? What about Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed? Are they part of another SE or our Source (SE1)?
Needler said this is what he was just told (today), which is new news to all of us:
- Babaji is an aspect of a TES from Source Entity 7. So is Babaji’s sister (Mataji or “Holy Mother”), who is the balancing yin to Babaji’s yang energy and the yang to his yin energy. Like Babaji, she has lived through the centuries as an “unascended” master, who is still working with us behind the scenes.
- Jesus is an aspect of a TES from Source Entity 4. So is Mary Magdalene, who is from the same TES (true soul mate).
- Buddha is an aspect of a TES from Source Entity 11. So were two other beings, who incarnated with Buddha at the same time.
- Mohammed is an aspect of a TES from Source Entity 8. So are Elijah/Lady Master Nada and John the Baptist.
Interestingly, our Source (SE1) works with a wide range of frequencies from physically solid to purely energetic states, while the other SE’s work with slightly higher (e.g. SE2-SE4) or much higher frequencies (e.g. SE7-SE12). Since their True Energetic Selves are more like “tourists” here, they are “housed” at different levels of our multiverse. For example:
- Babaji’s TES sits at the top of our multiverse at Full Dimension 12 (level of total awareness and communication with our Source and the Origin).
- Buddha’s TES is located at the level of Full Dimension 9 (level of interconnectedness or compartmentalization),
- Jesus’s TES is located at the lower end of Full Dimension 8 (level of hope or inevitable success of creativity).
For more details on the environments and the smaller entities created by other Source Entities, please see: What Are the Twelve Source Entities Like? – Big Picture Questions.com.
Final Comments
This information has several profound implications. It is most humbling to realize that these Source Entities have been working with us in so many ways to help us evolve, particularly at the lowest levels of the physical universe, where we are incarnated right now.
- Krishna, Babaji, Jesus, Mohammed and similar figures have jump started our evolution at many low frequency points in our world cycle (see What Are Human Root Races? – Big Picture Questions.com).
- All our main religions are centered around these figures (e.g. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam), who came to teach us how to live a karma free life at low frequencies.
- Since we’re being given this information now, it means we’re are deemed “mature” enough to be able to handle the Big Truth about ourselves, our Source, its peers and the Source Entity level ascended masters we know as Krishna, Babaji, Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus.
Last but not least, when our True Energetic Self becomes a Source Entity in its own right in the far, far future (event space), we’re apparently not restricted to just our own environment, since we can send a TES to experience another Source Entity’s environment as well. That gives us many additional avenues for progression, which is fantastic.
Here is more recent information on the Source Entity level ascended masters:
Who Are the Ascended Masters From the Twelve Source Entities? – Big Picture Questions.com
Who Are the Ascended Lady Masters From Source Entities? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Think Of Evolution In a Holistic Way? – Big Picture Questions.com
And our “Home” keeps getting bigger and bigger, as we continue to evolve.
Note: In the March 30, 2018 World Satsanga Needler described thirteen Source Entity level ascended masters in more detail, including Babaji (from SE7), Buddha (SE11), Confucius (SE3), Djwhal Khul (SE9), El Morya (SE1), Elijah (SE8), Hilarion (SE2), Jesus (SE4), Krishna (SE5), Kuthumi (SE6), St. Germain/Lady Master Portia (SE10), and Maitreya (SE12). But the Source added that all these beings are evolving in a holistic, not linear fashion (see How To Think Of Evolution In a Holistic Way? – Big Picture Questions.com).
For more information, please see:
Guy Needler: Home – Guy Steven Needler | The Dawn of a New Age of Science (new website) & 6 books: The History of God, Beyond the Source – Book 1, Beyond the Source – Book 2, Avoiding Karma, The Origin Speaks, 2015, The Anne Dialogues, 2016 & Personal communication
Guy Needler 7-22-17…The World Satsanga Recording and Transcript – Big Picture Questions.com
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Where Do Human and Other Souls Come From? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Are the Twelve Source Entities Like? – Big Picture Questions.com
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I asked Needler about the “dark lives” of so-called “masters” in the April 28, 2018 Satsanga. He said it just depends on when and where they incarnate, what they’re trying to do or expand the incarnate human population into. Some of them have fully immersed lives, where they’re not in contact with their Higher Self and have no idea of who and what they are, what their lineage is and what they’ve done in previous incarnations. They can be brutal leaders (e.g. Queen Elizabeth I) or brutal explorers (e.g. Columbus) or hard teachers (e.g. Sri Yukteswar) or whatever. He said don’t be shocked if their lives are not always benevolent or service oriented. He’s going to write another book about “antichrists” and how they affect the world in various ways.
RE: world affairs — I find it helpful to view our earthly incarnations as an extension of our galactic lives with cosmic dramas that involve the same themes of domination, submission, oppression, interference, secrecy, control, manipulation, rebellion, blind enthusiasm, etc. We forget that all these dramas are occurring in the NOW or simultaneously with our lives here. Wendy Kennedy said the Earth experiment is really about trying to resolve some of these cosmic dramas individually (with free will in one-on-one relationships, i.e. with your spouse, children, neighbor, boss, etc.) that couldn’t be resolved by the various galactic races fighting each other and blowing up planets in the process. Don’t forget we will ascend out of this mess. This post may be helpful:
How Do Galactic Civilizations Evolve? – Big Picture Questions.com
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-kFL
I don’t like to comment on anything religious based perse so names omitted, but historical and from a sociological view, didn’t this so called ‘deeply religious man’ commit many people to death in his pursuit of whatever and have a child bride(which was also very common in Biblical times, so nothing new there) and which spawned a twisted belief that it is okay to do so even today, plus the countless sexual aberrations and crimes perpetuated in his name?
That is historically a fact they say as well as a version of some reality(our reality on Earth?) no matter how hard one wishes to ascend or experience a different version of this reality? Moreover, when there are no actual pictures of him and to do so is a cardinal sin(as well as bringing severe misfortune upon one’s head to those brave enough to depict!) by said followers of him.
I also find it incredible to believe that he ever actually existed as I do any of these so called prophets in the actual interpretation of both past and modern beliefs by these brain washed ‘modern souls’ who ironically still dress and practise rituals not uncommon to The Dark Ages. I include in that category most religions. Ascended masters would be operating in the background both silently and benevolently as well as shaking their heads at the fools who dare use them as an excuse to operate in such foolish and ultimately sad behaviours. However they serve a purpose to the rest who vow not to behave like that, but what is most loathsome is those that appease such behaviour and promote it as normal. That is why I avoid The Media!
Agreed, but the “mind” part can be defined in many ways by many people. For me, the easiest analogy is to imagine the Being as a body with different organs or parts (e.g. fingers drumming, toes wiggling, legs moving, hands clapping, organs humming, etc.). They’re all part of the same sentient Being that uses energy as a tool, but each part is doing its own thing to experience, learn and evolve within its sphere of existence.
It’s not an “illusion” as we understand it, because it’s all based on energy. Thought is energy, too, but thought is a product of intention that precedes action (energetic response), which is a lower function. We are not just thought, which is a just a level of knowledge. We are pure sentience, which is a much higher function than thought in someone’s “mind” (as humans understand it).
Thanks Ulla. The problem with all perception, thought and ideas or observations is like comparing the truth with sand. Let’s say white sand represents the ‘truth’ and we place it in glass jar with red,brown,yellow,etc until the the point of it disappears in the mix. It exists but is so diluted as to nearly not exist, but nonetheless is there.
That is what’s happening with spirituality, all promise to have that special version of the Truth, if not the Truth itself. I think it(the Truth) can only be arrived at, by looking inwardly via meditation and realizing that everything happening ‘outside’ is only a reflection of what is going on ‘inside,’ in other words the vibratory world of thought creation manifested within the mind, but giving the illusion of being projected outside of the mind. Thus giving us the perception of ego and being the sole entity experiencing it. Kind of a neat trick really!
From within to without and within again, because everything is within in essence. As Above, so Below!
The whole point of these or any other “masters” (most of whom are unknown in our recorded history) is to teach us how to live a karma-free life at low frequencies, like on Earth (FB 1-3). Sadly, their original message has been diluted and distorted over time, because religion became a tool to divide and control people. All religions got some things right, like the Golden Rule (treat others as you wish to be treated) – it’s universal. But it’s clear that humanity is ready for an upgrade and that’s why I wrote my book (Spiritual Guide To Our Multiverse).
Hi Dave: I have read many books by Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, George Kavassilas, Jim Marrs and others during the “conspiracy theory phase” of my spiritual journey, as described in the first post below (How To Defuse Duality…). You can get pretty depressed about the state of world affairs, if you stop there and just look at the control structures in government, banking, education, healthcare, etc. You can feel like a prisoner in a human body existing on a prison planet alright. But that’s just one perspective from a victim stance.
Those structures are a reflection of our collective frequency as humans. If you are triggered by them, it means there’s something in your field that may put you into fear, lack, limitation, contraction, a sense of powerlessness, etc. If you are not triggered by it, you’re still aware of what’s going on but not afraid of it. You’re simply observing it, wondering what it is trying to show the mass consciousness. Big difference.
If you look at the bigger picture, you can see WHY beings would play different roles in different ways. We’re all here to learn about balancing Love, Wisdom and Power. Some entities wanted to have lifetimes where they could be the master or where they were given power in some form often by people who didn’t want to take responsibility for their own lives, but wanted to play the follower, the submissive one or the slave, etc. They pretended to give some of their power away to another being to see what that’s like for a while.
We have played these games (both master and slave roles) for eons, but now those enslavement games are over. Why isn’t the world different yet? Because many people default back to these roles, because they’re so familiar, but YOU can say NO to all of it now. You are a master creator that can rewrite your life plan, contracts, agreements, etc. with any and all aspects of your life. You can stand in peace in the midst of chaos! In doing so, you can do more for the world than being mired or pulled down by lower frequency thoughts, such as conspiracy level thinking.
The world is changing as we speak — this is the Age of Transparency, so all these corrupted structures will be exposed as being dysfunctional, not working any longer and then changed or restructured by the people at whatever rate is appropriate for most of them (it could be fast in some event spaces, slower in others). We are shifting and ascending in frequency collectively, but it all starts at the individual level. Below are a few pertinent posts that may help you as well:
How To Defuse Duality and Transcend Misguided Thoughtforms? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-64Y
What Is the Purpose of Religion Or Spirituality In Our Universe? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-456
What Is the New Golden Rule? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-4bz
How Do We Transcend The Powers That Be? – Big Picture Questions.com (talks about problem-reaction-solution)
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-jjf (bigger picture)
How Do We Create Our Reality? – Big Picture Questions.com (talks about David Icke’s matrix)
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-jly (David Icke)
Nora Herold 6-21-18…”The Power Structures On Your World” – Big Picture Questions.com (talks about current power struggles)
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-lOJ
Thanks for the question. I’ve asked Guy Needler to comment further in our next Satsanga as well.
There is strong evidence to support that Jesus, Mohammed etc never existed and is therefore just another example of the evils of religion manipulated by those who want to keep mankind in subjugation and maintain the so called dark matrix. Just read Jordan Maxwell it will blow your mind!
Thanks, Nina. By definition, an “ascended master” is somebody who is beyond karma and beyond the need to incarnate at any frequency level in the physical universe. That would apply to any True Energetic Self (Higher Self/Oversoul) that comes from another Source Entity. They don’t need to incarnate for their own sake, but they wish to be of service and experience the environments that their peers have created. They come here to do a specific service role, usually as a higher frequency aspect (composite hybrid soul) that becomes a quantitative, qualitative or non-interactive master or teacher, just like the evolved White Children who are arriving in the next 50-60 years.
According to Needler, Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed each had a different role to play, and each represents a part of the whole. They were not born in a fully purified or self-realized state, but had to develop themselves to the point where that state was personified within them. Each had a varying level of connectivity with their Higher Self. Mohammed was a deeply religious man engaged in prayer and meditation, which allowed him to tap into the greater reality. He was enlightened to the same level as Buddha.
Note that just because somebody has reached a phase of cosmic consciousness, it doesn’t mean that he is omniscient or infallible. People like Jesus, Yogananda, Lahiri Mahasaya, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. were able to connect with certain levels of well over 35 divine gift or siddhic states, but not all 64 of them. I hope that helps.
What Are Siddhis Or Divine Gifts? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-aKB
How Does Reincarnation Work? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-a0Q
What Is Cosmic Consciousness vs. Christ Consciousness? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-4oC
What Are the Evolved White Children? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-bA8
How Do Spiritually Advanced Children and Masters Help Humanity? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-87M
I love your articles and they give really good information and insight. Specially about ascended masters” topic, there might be a mistake, as “Mohammed” is not Ascended master and never was.
An “ascended master” is somebody who is beyond karma and beyond the need to incarnate at any frequency level in the physical universe. Sometimes a True Energetic Self sends just one aspect (a soul that has ascended and doesn’t attract karma), because they’ve chosen to come back, to broadcast or to teach others how to ascend. That soul would have a significant amount of bandwidth, because they’re the only one projected from their TES (e.g. evolved White children, who come from a TES at Full Dimension 7 in our multiverse).
The people you mentioned more likely represent a collection of higher frequency individuals, who have more bandwidth with their TES. They may not be consciously aware of that connection, but are able to download things like music, inventions or ideas to help us evolve (e.g. Marconi-radio, Baird-television, Fleming-penicillin, etc.). They’re not necessarily karma-free or ascended masters yet. They are part of the evolutionary cycle within our multiverse. They’re similar to higher frequency individuals like the indigo, rainbow, crystal children and their hybrids in our day. I hope that helps.
Where Do Inventors Get Their Ideas? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-cEs
How Do Spiritually Advanced Children and Masters Help Humanity? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-87M
P.S. In the Seven Rays teachings, certain ascended masters are said to have reincarnated as many notable individuals. For example, Master Morya had incarnations as Sri Yukteswar (Yogananda’s guru, according to Needler) and aspects from the same True Energetic Self were Abraham, Akbar the Great, St. Thomas More, Thomas Moore, Thomas Beckett, King Solomon, King Arthur and Melchior (according to Seven Rays).
Could some artists also be ascended masters, caming here to assist and guide ? W.A Mozart, Michael Jackson, J.S Bach, Beethoven, Goethe ?