With the passing of Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain this week, it’s time to revisit this post retitled as What is the higher perspective on suicide? What leads a person to commit suicide? What happens to their soul? What are the consequences of that act? How does it differ from natural exit points? It’s time to revisit all these questions now.
This week we were shocked by the suicide of Robin Williams, one of our favorite comedians and actors, who through his movies gave us a glimpse at several poorly understood concepts, such as heaven, hell, suicide, depression (“What Dreams May Come”), reincarnation (“Being Human”), memory implants to record lifetimes (“The Final Cut”) and much more (see Robin Williams – IMDb). Here is a man who had clearly thought about these things during his life, but chose to end it anyway. What is the spiritual perspective on suicide?
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Why is life so hard?
Wendy Kennedy (“The Great Human Potential”) said Earth is called the planet of emotion, because it has the widest range of emotions found anywhere in our universe.
- That means we have the highest highs and the lowest lows and everything in between.
- We know what it’s like to feel alone, afraid, sad, guilty, angry, frustrated, etc.
- We also know what joy, love, curiosity, excitement, gratitude, and compassion feel like.
Other planets may have a quarter or a third of the emotional range we have, which makes life on our dense 3D planet much more challenging.
How can we deal with our fears or lower emotions?
Jose Stevens, PhD is a psychotherapist and author of “Transforming Your Dragons: How To Turn Fear Patterns into Personal Power.” The “dragon” represents the primary stumbling block or obstacle that we have chosen to overcome in order to achieve our main goal in life.
Here are the seven basic obstacles with their accompanying fear patterns, that lie at the heart of every major dysfunction and addiction known to humankind, according to Stevens:
- Self-deprecation (fear of being inadequate)
- Self-destruction (fear of life is not worth having)
- Martyrdom (fear of being a victim)
- Stubbornness (fear of change)
- Arrogance (fear of being judged)
- Greed (fear of not having enough)
- Impatience (fear of missing out)
Some obstacles tend to be paired. For example, self-destruction and greed are often associated and manifest in people addicted to food, sex, drugs, gambling, power, etc.
- Self-destruction may be quick (e.g. suicide) or prolonged over many years of self-sabotaging behaviors (e.g. overeating, smoking, drinking).
- The obstacles of self-deprecation, self-destruction, and martyrdom are self-blocking and tend to hold the person back for self-karmic inward experiences.
- The obstacles of arrogance, greed, and impatience encourage the person to interact with the outer world for more outward karmic experiences.
The dragon forms a large part of our false personality (ego) and can impact every aspect of life (e.g. health, creativity, presence, relationships and spiritual life). But with understanding and conscious effort, it can be erased to allow our true personality (higher self) to guide our lives.
“You cannot create happiness for another, but you can hold for them the reflection of their divine nature, which makes it easier for them to see it within themselves.” – Wendy Kennedy
What is the karmic impact of suicide?
Guy Needler said suicide is a method of gaining massive instant karma for many reasons:
- The desire to commit suicide happens at lower frequencies. This creates an energetic karmic link to that level, that the soul/aspect needs to remove in another lifetime.
- When the physical vehicle is prematurely terminated, it is like throwing away a gift or the opportunity given to the soul to evolve. There is a backlog of souls waiting to come into human bodies that are in short supply.
- Suicide creates an “evolutionary debt” to all the other souls affected by the loss of that person from their lives. The soul that committed suicide has to commit to helping them recover their missing evolutionary content. What is lost must be recovered, and neither the soul/aspect or its True Energetic Self/Oversoul/Higher Self can move forward until that debt is paid.
- Suicide creates so much downstream chaos that it takes thousands of souls, guides, and helpers to deal with the direct and indirect interactions that got terminated or voided by the act of suicide. It’s like a blackout in a huge block of a city. The connections that were lit up are suddenly gone! It can take millions of years in human terms to recover what is lost.
- Suicide causes termination of all parallel selves instantly, because of the need to work with all the downstream evolutionary debt that would suddenly be accrued by all parallel versions as a result of one version committing suicide.
As a result, the soul will lose some evolutionary headway that would have happened, if they had continued to live out their life in that body until their planned exit point. Suicide is NOT an acceptable way to leave an incarnation, even when the person has a disease, such as cancer, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, etc. That experience serves the individual and those around them.
Needler said sometimes a person incarnates into an area where suicide is common (e.g. South Korea, Japan, Finland). If they go through the thought processes, but manage to avoid suicide, then they have a significant evolutionary jump. If they don’t avoid it, then it’s: “Oops, I missed!”
What happens to the soul after suicide?
The soul aspect will always be in existence as part of a much bigger being, our True Energetic Self (TES), which is who we really are. The aspect will undergo a detailed life review (see How Detailed Is the Soul’s Life Review? – Big Picture Questions.com for eye opening revelations).
- It is a very in-depth and complicated review of ALL event spaces or parallel lives concurrently. It involves the person who died and all their helpers and guide as well.
- They all have to work out what went on, how they performed, what goals were met or unmet, etc. reviewing every event space that led up to the point of the suicide.
- In the case of suicide, they also have to figure out WHY the guides and helpers could not communicate effectively or stop the person from taking their own life.
There is lots to sort out, because that soul has to go through a multistep quarantine process, cleansing and reprogramming of their sentient energies. The downside of all this is that the soul loses some of its energies and its sentience, and its personality is deleted, so that the disharmonious energies cannot contaminate the TES/Higher Self, the multiverse, or the Source.
What is the spiritual perspective on suicide?
In “Talking with Twentieth-Century Men,” Peter Watson Jenkins asked the question: Do suicides like Ernest Hemingway go to hell? He worked with Toni Ann Winninger, who channeled the soul of Hemingway for his views on his recent life.
Like many artistic or creative people, Hemingway’s life was cut short by suicide. His father was self-destructive and committed suicide, as did two of his siblings. He explained:
- All souls go Home, regardless of what experiences they had in the physical world.
- Home has nothing to do with judgment, positive or otherwise.
“Going home is an entitlement for the very simple fact that you are a piece of the Creator and that you are an individual soul.” – Ernest Hemingway
Hemingway’s soul said there is no heaven or hell. The only place where we have a heaven and a hell is upon the Earth.
- When he was drawn by his adventures, his passion and energy, he experienced what for him was heaven on Earth. But when he dropped into his depression, he felt tormented as if in pure hell.
- If you were to chart his life, you’d see drastic spikes and huge valleys, that reflect the extremes of throwing himself into something (e.g. writing a book), then losing everything he had and suffering depression.
- He received shock therapy, which interfered with his brain function and put him into the self-destructive mood. He numbed his pain, physical and mental unrest with alcohol.
As a soul, he knew that before we come down, we predetermine how we’re going to live our life, not play-by-play, but the major lessons that we’re going to undertake.
- But if we get into a pattern that is not working for us, you get a “do-over.” You put yourself into a situation, where you go back to spirit form, so you can return to Earth and do it over again.
In “Talking With Twentieth-Century Women,” the soul of Sylvia Plath expressed very similar views. One of the lessons she wished to experience was depression, which was the opposite of being able to see and connect with everything out there in the higher realm.
- But the sense of being contained in a thick fog-like cloud proved to be overwhelming, much more devastating in the human form than planned. She was not spiritual at all in that life, so she thought her suffering would be over after her suicide at age 30.
- But after death, she realized: “Whoops! Pulled the plug a little bit too soon.” She did not complete the lessons, which were to triumph over the depression, and triumph over the control of others.
- She knows she will have to come down and experience them again in human form on a planet with a third-dimensional stage. She said: “All we are doing is rewriting our own script, choosing to approach it from a different direction.”
Jenkins commented: “Life does not stop when we go Home. Souls continue to think, discuss, create, learn, and interact with one another. We may leave the shell of the body behind us when we transition from Earth to Home, but we keep our thinking faculties intact, when we trade cigar smoke for bliss.” 🙂
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For more information, please see:
How Detailed Is the Soul’s Life Review? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Are the Stages Of Spiritual Development? – Big Picture Questions.com
How Do Souls Exit From Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Spiritual Perspective On Physical and Mental Disability? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Spiritual Or Energetic Basis Of Bipolar Disorder? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Spiritual Basis Of Schizophrenia? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Spiritual Or Energetic Basis Of Autism? – Big Picture Questions.com
How Does Event Space Change Your Perspective On Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Happens To the Ego, Body and Soul When We Die? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Happens In Our Life Review After Death? – Big Picture Questions.com
How Does Reincarnation Work? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Elevate Your Own Frequency? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Are the Core Issues Of Humanity? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Reframe Your Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Dissolve Your Victim Patterns? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Physical vs. Energetic Basis of Disease? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Heal Anxiety and Fear? – Big Picture Questions.com
How To Quickly Heal Your Body and Energetic Templates? – Big Picture Questions.com
What Is the Afterlife Like? – Big Picture Questions.com
How Does Meditation Help With Depression? – Big Picture Questions.com
Tom Kenyon & Wendy Kennedy: The Great Human Potential: Walking in One’s Own Light, 2013 (higherfrequencies.net/product/the-great-human-potential-walking-in-ones-own-light/; available in English, French and German) & Selected quotes by 9D Pleiadian Collective via Wendy Kennedy
Jose Stevens: Transforming Your Dragons: How To Turn Fear Patterns into Personal Power, 1994 & The Power Path // “Connecting you with Spirit and Power” (website)
Guy Steven Needler: Why the Source allows Suffering & Conflict | Guy Steven Needler & Home – Guy Steven Needler | The Dawn of a New Age of Science (new website) & 5 books: The History of God, Beyond the Source – Book 1, Beyond the Source – Book 2, Avoiding Karma, The Origin Speaks, 2015, The Anne Dialogues, 2016 & Personal communication
Peter Watson Jenkins & Toni Ann Winninger: Talking With Twentieth-Century Men, 2008
Peter Watson Jenkins & Toni Ann Winninger: Talking With Twentieth-Century Women, 2008
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Please DO NOT give up — it’s like drowning at the shore — after you’ve been swimming across the ocean all your life. Yes, I get it — we all suffer and it’s too much — see my recent post, where I let Source and Origin have it!
Is Life Sacred Or Not? – Big Picture Questions
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What Is the Energetic Basis Of Depression? – Big Picture Questions
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BUT we are in the midst of major change on this world — yes, there IS a lot of chaos right now, because we have to restructure how our society works. It’s not working for everyone — we all know this and want to change it. Truths are surfacing like never before and will culminate in February 2022. Just around the corner!
We are in a sector of space with high photonic energy — that helps uplift our frequencies, how we feel about ourselves. ALL of us are dropping old baggage, purging our personal demons, letting go of old belief systems and limiting thought loops that are not just our own baggage, but that from our ancestral or genetic lines — intergenerational trauma that we are healing for everybody’s sake. That is a service we are doing for all of humanity. You are part of this process.
You are never disconnected from your Higher Self — it’s impossible, because you’re like a finger in its hand, which is attached to Source, the body that everything exists within. You need to ask for HELP from your guide and helpers and Higher Self and Source and Origin.
Also ask for people’s help in your area’s suicide hotline. hotlines – Google Docs
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You are loved, understood and appreciated as you are — as is everybody else. This is a very tough time to be on the planet — only the brave souls came to be here at this time of transition from FB 3 to FB 4. YOU matter in the local picture and the Big Picture! Sending Much Love and Blessings to you.
This article makes me feel even more hopeless and suicidal than ever. I think if this is the case then when I take my own life (which I’m DEFINITELY going to go, now, after reading this), I’m also going to have my soul disintegrated. I’m exhausted. Tired of sentience. I no longer wish to be a slave to an endless cycle of suffering and I have lost all interest in trying. The higher self abandoned me long ago, anyway. I begged for him to return and he just left me there. I no longer feel love of care for anyone or anything. Fuck the universe. Fuck everything. I hope it all burns to the ground.
Thanks for your comment. The problem is that WE are not aware of all that is going on with our soul and all the parallel selves it has created that are operating in addition to the life we are having. If someone commits suicide, it stops all those parallels as well. That’s part of the problem, because it stops the evolution of all those parallels and that of all the other people those parallels were supposed to help evolve as well. For more information, please see these posts:
What Are Soul Exit Points? (Video) – Big Picture Questions
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-nyR
What Are Parallel Selves? (Video) – Big Picture Questions
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-nH9
How Does Event Space Change Your Perspective On Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-8Sn
How Do Parallel Selves Differ? – Big Picture Questions.com
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-kK5
How Do Parallel Selves Affect Our Sentience? – Big Picture Questions
https://wp.me/p5EGgc-nHd
Totally DIS-agree with whoever ”guy needler” is above, bottom line is his POV is NOT my POV, obviously if a person is ALL alone with no parents anymore and was the only kid, and if that person is single and could never find a girl and has NO friends whatsoever, and all other relatives are already gone, then NO one else is involved and the vibes stop there
Todd
ohio st univ
Thank you for your comment. I can’t comment on their situation, because I don’t know any details about it. But the article is about suicide and its effects on the soul and all others the soul leaves behind. The point is we’re not here for ourselves only.
You cast doubt over your true purpose here using Bourdain and Spade as examples of ‘suicide’. They were ‘suicided’ for sure but they did not commit suicide. I am not going to belabour this point, and I am thankful for having seen this article.
If you’ve read “The Anne Dialogues,” you will know that suicide with “permission” is exceedingly rare. It’s not likely to be part of our life plan. But the condition that leads to the exit may be played out over many years. For example, you could live with brain cancer for 10 yrs, while you’re being treated with various chemotherapies, immunotherapy, surgery, radiation, etc. maybe with some success, but eventually succumbing to the disease and/or its complications (e.g. organ failure from metastatic cancer). That makes it a true exit point in the end. Mind you, there may be hundreds of parallels playing out slightly different versions of the disease at the same time — some may die earlier than others; some parallels may not have the disease at all, depending on what the soul wants to play out. I hope that helps.
I read the Anne dialogues and am wondering if chronic illness can sometimes be a way out between or after all exit points and act as the suicide with “permission” on a physiological level.
It seems harsh, because it IS harsh for the soul of a suicidal person and its Higher Self. They both incur a significant evolutionary debt to other souls that has to be repaid before they can move forward in their evolution. This is the multiversal law of evolutionary recovery — it takes a long time (many lifetimes) and a lot of effort to recover what is lost. If the debt cannot repaid by that soul, then it may be dissolved into the Higher Self, which then projects another soul in its place or some hybrid soul to do the recovery work. The soul loses some of its energies and sentience and personality in the process. That’s no good for that soul or its Higher Self.
The point is that we’re not here for ourselves only. Our actions affect numerous other entities, not just in the physical but in the energetic side (not just that soul and its soul group from its Higher Self, but all the other souls, their Higher Selves, their guides and helpers as well). We’re all supposed to work together.
Guy Needler said that of all the billions of souls that incarnate on Earth and elsewhere, about 0.6% of them commit suicide. That’s a high number in his view and creates a lot of chaos. We’re not supposed to bail out early, even if the incarnation is hard. We have always pre-planned some “exit points” into our life plan that could be used to leave at a certain point without any evolutionary debt or problems downstream from it. For more, please see:
How Do Souls Exit From Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-ck2
This seems to be a bit harsh for the suicidal soul. Sometimes life gets overwhelmingly hard-for example, someone suffering with a disease may get tired of life. So they kill themselves, go back home, see their life review and reincarnate again possibly within a karmic agreement. It hurts a lot of people, but is nothing evil or something that is a flaw for all time. These things happen sometimes. We must help the suicidee, and not judge them on what is acceptable or not. There are just some situations where people feel overwhelmed and suicide is the only escape.
Suicide in one parallel affects ALL parallels, so they are all terminated at that point in that lifetime. The soul then goes through several steps, including a quarantine process to isolate the disharmonious energies, deletion of the personality, cleansing and reprogramming of its sentience, etc. That particular soul loses some of its energies, its sentience and its personality in the process, because those sentient energies (after cleansing) are reabsorbed back into the Higher Self. For more details, please read “The Anne Dialogues” by Guy Needler.
So what exactly happens to the parallel selves when suicide occurs? Do the parallel selves do it as well at the same point in event space?
I would suggest that you read “The Anne Dialogues” (Chapter 7) about suicide. It says suicide is NEVER an acceptable way of returning to the energetic. That chapter talks about assisted suicide, euthanasia, killing in wars, mass suicides, terrorist acts, etc. The ONLY exception to this rule is the case of some VERY advanced souls, who commit suicide just to experience all of the cleansing processes and pressures of evolutionary debt as part of their evolutionary path. But that has happened only twice before – it’s exceedingly rare. The other rare exception is where a very advanced soul has lived past all its natural exit points and wants to leave by suicide with permission, because all the downstream work has been figured out by all the guides and helpers and Higher Selves involved at that point. It’s very, very rare.
The karmic debt idea is so strange. Our higher selves incarnate here (many many times) for the wealth of experiences this galaxy game has to offer. Who are we to say that a death by suicide is not an experience a high self seeks to have?
My understanding is that suicide affects the person’s parallel lives downstream from the act. It also affects all the downstream functions and parallel lives of the people the person was supposed to interact with. If you’re still here, it means that you may have come close, but avoided it in your parallel lives, which is good (an evolutionary gain, not a debt). A soul that leaves early by suicide needs to undergo a quarantine, cleansing, life review, re-education, etc. steps before they’re allowed to come back, or if they’re not ready, then a hybrid soul may be sent instead. Suicide is complicated for every entity. Sometimes, if a soul wants to leave early, a walk-in is used, so another soul comes into the same vehicle to live out the life plan.
Everything is happening in event space. For example, it’s possible that more than one parallel self is experiencing the same disease condition, perhaps in a slightly different way or the same way or not at all, if the parallel self took a different path 20-30 years ago (e.g. didn’t start smoking, didn’t get lung cancer). Some parallels may die earlier using natural exit points (e.g. illness, accident, murder, poisoning, organ failure, etc.), while others may stay around until the very end. When the last parallel collapses back into the main life line, then the incarnation is over. Hope this helps! Here are a few posts with more details, if you’re interested:
How Do Souls Exit From Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-ck2
What Is a Walk-in Or a Soul Exchange? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-1Jy
How Does Event Space Change Your Perspective On Life? – Big Picture Questions.com
http://wp.me/p5EGgc-8Sn
Recommended reading: “The Anne Dialogues” by Guy Needler (Chapter 7.2 Suicide)
Does the chaos that suicide creates impact parallel lives? I read other articles about parallel selves and lives. I used to struggle with severe anxiety and have attempted suicide a couple times in the past. I think it is quit possible that it took place in some of my parallel selves and lives.
If that is the case can the chaos created suicide in my parallel lives have an impact on my current self and life, that is reading and replying to this article? I still often struggle with anxiety but have found better ways to cope.