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1. Ulla Sarmiento 11 Apr 2020

   Thank you for your question and comments. I re-read my post and feel it explains things pretty well, but you have some valid points. Here are some excerpts from the World Satsangas (August 25, 2018 & November 24, 2018) that address your questions at least in part:

   Q: This is a question about abortion, how does that sit with The Source? How does that affect the women’s life path, their journey? Do some women choose to experience that in their life or is it the choice of the babies Aspect/shard? Is it counted as Karma?

   Guy Needler: You have to look at a higher perspective. It’s about experience. The individual mother might want to experience the gestation of another incarnate vehicle within it for a certain period of time, and then no longer want to experience that as part of its incarnation. And similarly, an entity may wish to be associated with such a function of being part of the gestation of an incarnate vehicle up to a certain point and then detach from it.

   Guy added: “Normally there is no Karmic effect in this in terms of Aspect to Aspect, but the incarnate Aspect that is the mother may become too attached to the grieving process – which is a Karmic function.”

   So it’s not a condition of, shall we say, is it going to affect us from a karmic perspective? It’s usually part of a plan, usually part of an experiential plan that both the aspect associated with being the mother and potentially the father and potentially the child in its embryonic state wanted to experience in different ways.

   They all wanted to experience different aspects of that and then move on. We don’t all want to experience a whole life. We don’t want to experience being born. We sometimes want to experience the condition of connectivity with that which could be born, for instance. So we’ve got various different things here, which are sometimes abhorrent to the human condition, but actually very benign to us, when we’re in the energetic.

   Guy added: “There are times when an Aspect is attached to the fetus and times when there is not. This is a decision that an Aspect might make to experience a very small level of detail associated with the incarnation process. In essence, if it feels OK to abort the pregnancy, then it is.”

   Q: What is the spiritual perspective on Abortion? Is it pre-planned by the mother’s or incoming baby’s soul? OR is it that the baby soul doesn’t even come into that fetus, so it’s just the physical vehicle that is aborted? Or does it vary?

   GSN: Well, basically, it’s usually an agreement between the aspect or the soul that’s in the mother’s body and the aspect or soul, who wants to experience simply the connectivity of fetal growth, and that maybe the abortion side of it is one way of terminating or one termination juncture for that incarnation, so that particular aspect or soul can then move back into the energetic.

   So usually it’s a function of experiencing the connectivity between two aspects or two souls from the perspective of the start of the creativity process of the creation of a new human vehicle for a soul to experience, learn and evolve through in this low frequency environment. And that’s basically it — it is usually a need only to experience a small part of incarnation. And that the abortion is understood and recognized on a subconscious level as a termination juncture that the mother would use to assist the soul that’s within the fetus to move back into the energetic.

   In “The Anne Dialogues” on page 206, it says that the first termination juncture (age 0-7 yrs), is used by souls that only want to experience the gestation period and/or the experience of stillbirth, cot death, premature birth, major organ disorder, disability, disease, etc. that can occur in the infantile stages of incarnation.

   Regarding your other question about murder etc., I refer you to “The Anne Dialogues” on page 89, where it says that areas that are considered the SAME as suicide from the energetic side of things include personal suicide, assisted suicide, euthanasia, killing another (e.g. war, argument, crime, mental disorder, or death sentence) and euthanasia of an animal (from terminal illness, bodily damage or aggressive action by a human).

   Guy added: “We do have pre-incarnation agreements to experience being a killer or being murdered as part of the overall balance of experiencing every angle of incarnation in a low frequency environment. Sometimes being murdered is used as a termination juncture, if other means such as illness or accident are not easily available in the Aspect’s Event Space that desires to leave an incarnation.”

   All these things are considered in the same light as suicide. The killer has to answer for the crime of terminating the human or animal vehicle because of the downstream effects it creates with the people they were supposed to interact with. The same principle applies to martyrdom, mass suicides and suicidal terrorists that murder others.

   Guy added: “This can easily attract Karma between two Aspects (and even karma with one’s self, if one can’t move on! – This can follow us for years and sometimes over lifetimes) and so it is of the upmost importance to forgive and forget the crime administered by the criminal. We see this act of service on TV at times where the surviving members of a family forgive the perpetrator of their family member’s death. Sub-consciously they know that it’s best to move on and offer forgiveness.”

   I hope that helps. But I’ve also asked Guy Needler to respond (as shown). Thanks.

   Guy added: “We experience this particular location and frequency of the physical universe as a human in human ways, and so we should – that’s the whole point. However, we need to step back to see the much bigger picture – the greater reality, to be able to navigate through our incarnations in an efficient way, so that we effectively reduce the number of incarnations we need to perform in order to evolve to the point where we don’t need to incarnate – anywhere or any frequency in the physical universe.”

2. Rey 11 Apr 2020

   Ulla this doesn’t really make any sense. You explain these standpoints without really addressing what is obviously the main concern, and then you say “oh we need to stop doing x, y, and z”. It’s a very unempathetic way to go about this.

   When you talk about the idea that we are given free will… you say that us committing suicide is bad, and negatively incurs massive karma… but then free will for aborting a baby is fine. Needler released a book called “Avoiding Karma” and talks about what people in this lifetime should pursue, karma being perceived by both you and Needler as someone undesirable to incur. We have free will to not pay attention to these things, but then that means we could be racking up karma. You continue to blur the line between free will being ok, and things shouldn’t do.

   Can we agree that championing free will in the face of things that can give karma, blurs the line for readers? Can we just talk about what’s right vs what’s wrong?

   You keep using this idea of soul exits almost as a justification for doing what could be “perceived” as a bad act. For instance, if I kill someone, that could have been a predetermined soul exit point for someone. But how does that tie in to free will, and does that make the action of me killing another human being ok?

   It’s obvious that people do not like abortion because they believe it’s killing a human. But killing a human is also the individualized free will that you champion…. so what your saying doesn’t really make sense holistically.

   Furthermore, it’s easy to talk about abortion, but it’s much harder to talk about the situation that leads up to abortion. Now more than ever, we lead a sex positive life that sees people having meaningless sex and watching porn (again, this incurs negative karma from Needlers perspective) so by justifying abortion, you’re justifying a dangerous position that may not be a healthy one, and I’ve seen you do this multiple times on your blog post, where you’ll justify marriage, divorce, abortion, and a lot of “pro women pro feminism” standpoints, and you sort of need to call that out front and center.

   Let’s put the abortion point like this: abortion is ending a “potential” human life. You give a time line that says that the soul doesn’t commit at the fetal or birth level… but again you fail to anticipate and rebut the obvious question. If I stab my 1 week old baby (aka end a potential life) is that ok with you? You can see how 99% of people wouldn’t be fine with that, right?

   You sort of downplay legislation by people who don’t understand these matters, but these people are doing their best with their “free will” that you keep championing. More than that, you’re not talking about the legislation around people that murder adults. If someone that is interested in your content is often frustrated with the cohesion of your collective standpoints and the cogency of them, how do you expect legislators or people in general to respond to it?

   Again, I appreciate your content, but I can’t help but to notice that you choose the evidence and belief systems (especially all the pro women stuff) that best suit your already existing beliefs and identity, and don’t have enough empathy to anticipate what are obvious rebuttals to your stand points.

   Couple of additional points:

   If we have free will, why is it that killing someone can be their predetermined life exit point? Even if you say “oh you have free will to choose, but the opportunity will still present itself” then that’s not truly free will. You’re mixing the ideas of free will and determinism and you sort of need to go out if your way to explain that.

   You also need to explain, even if me killing someone is predetermined, if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

   I’d be more than happy to even pay you for a small session, just so I can chat with you about this. You’re the person that actually introduced me to Needler and these ideas, so you deserve a lot of credit, but I get increasingly frustrated with the cohesion and rationale of your points, and would love the opportunity to get to the bottom of some of these issues (whether I end up agreeing or disagreeing with you)

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